why didn't steve downs get custody

She learnedat a young age to keep her emotions in check and to always present a strong and brave front. I dont disagree, I just think it is another example of flaws in our justice system. So many of the cases Lise writes about on this blog either have no forensic evidence that supports the verdict or have very misleading forensic evidence that may or may not support the verdict, depending on who is interpreting it. If not from her high profile status, she would already be out. How ironic that the court and cops were so quick to believe Steve Downs, but he gave up on his own children after the tragedy. The bitches own daughter identified Downs as the shooter. I removed the dumb and crass part of your comment. The tape is real and probably not admissible, but it seems to indicate that her testimony was coerced: Why is it not admissible? If you read the blog, you will see many examples of media hype and character assassination. Or why the fact that he was a con artist made him such a credible guy in this case. 'Leave It to Beaver' star Tony Dow explains why he wasn't allowed to I have plans to go hunting with the husband of one of the alternates.. I dont know that it could get worse than writing an asinine comment on a restorative justice website that states that only respectful and constructive comments will be posted. Right?? But without proof, Diane couldnt implicate Steve Downs any more than she could shoot him as he violated a restraining order threatening to beat her AGAIN. And Steven was free to follow her lead or not. Further: Wonder about Justice in Nation with world wide highest prisoner rate. This case flew under my radar so to speak because it happened before my time. However, Steve later discovered that Danny wasn't his biological son and divorced his wife. She also underwent a gun residue test that same evening that revealed no trace of gun powder on her hands. this is your 2nd quote which contradicts the first one .. Lets not forget that she was presumed to have fired a gun 6 times at close range within the confines of a small car. I understand that the authorities were afraid to leave the two remaining children under her care if they thought she was guilty, but they could have been released to the grandparents or other blood relatives with supervised visits from their mom considering that she was not charged with any crime. And they kept at her and made suggestions when she would not implicate her mom. They both fainted when they saw their dead child, but it did not count. Did Danny Downs, Steve Downs' son, remain paralyzed? People have always been wondering about Steve Downs, Danie Downs ex-husband. So, were there any other attempted carjackings in the area that night? Within a few weeks, a judge had placed the surviving kids, Christie and Danny, in protective custody. While I appreciate your empathy for the victims of this crime, I have to wonder if all murderers should be locked up their entire life? 2. During the process of the termination (which can take the whole 2 years in question, with appeals) the court is mandated to find family to take the children. Farrah had trouble with the law because of a passionate love affair with a movie director. It probably makes you feel so good. And other inmates were released with worst backgrounds. #corrupt. Much worse. Two wrongs do not make a right but illustrates that she should have never been coerced before, during or after the trial. Thanks Kit, It is a bit of a mystery to me that not more people see that if we removed the high profile name and the accompanying media storm, the case was no slam dunk. 2023 Cinemaholic Inc. All rights reserved. The unreliability of childrens testimony has been documented by cognitive psychologists such as Elizabeth Loftus of the University of Cornell and others. You can check this link and go online to see her picture with Cheryl and the rest of the family. Robert was a married man in Arizona with whom Diane had been having an affair, back when she was still living there. ABC MOVIE FOR TV Small Sacrifices 1989 Farrah Fawcett, Ryan ONeal. She was not given one inch of presumption of innocence. It can safely be presumed, other children told their parents, and that some of those parents reported the disturbing revelation to states Attorney, Prosecutor Fred Hugi. There is only one major problem with your scenario. Clearly the social workers were working with the DAs office and taking advice on best interest of the children from them. Foster Carers says either Australia or England to me. http://sputniknews.com/us/20150620/1023613662.html#ixzz3djEXlSAC // The Prison State of America Dec 28, 2014 Chris Hedges, http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_prison_state_of_america_20141228 Great blog post, thank you. In the blog, there is a link on the subject of bipolar people who tend to laugh at the wrong time. I point out some obvious facts and discrepancies, and that due process was shoved aside because the state and the media presented a guilty image right from the start. Detective Welch reminded Diane of the assault her sister witnessed in February 1983, in which steve Downs broke Dianes tailbone (Appendix 74, page 1025). ?.the fact you are ignoring something SO OBVIOUS is a red flag. At the time Diane had told police that a stranger attempted to carjack her and shot the kids, and that's what her ex husband was told, too. DA Pat Horton declared early in the game to the local paper that the search for the bearded stranger was not very high on their priority list.. What happened to Diane Downs ex-husband? Be the first to get hottest news from our Editor-in-Chief, Check your email and confirm your subscription. Fred Hugi was pretty upset when Ann Rule went Hollywood with his case. The prescribed normal dosage for a full grown man is 30 milligrams per day. Washing soda is your best bet: It includes, among its ingredients, the exceedingly corrosive carbolic acid. Her atrocities made national news, but one person that everyone has been wondering about is Diane Down's ex-husband. Wrong. There was never a real motive for the crime even if the State insisted that Diane wanted to be free to pursue her love interest; using her journals to support theirclaim. Q. The car was splattered with blood, but Diane had none on her. It gave Anne Rule carte blanche to legally use these labels in her book and it stuck. The incident left Cheryl dead, Danny paralyzed from the waist down, and Christie suffering from a stroke that affected her speech. He needed, now more than ever, to vacate the area asap. Or can have an accomplice. I was curious as to what these requirements were, as I have not seen these online. Fred Hugi was pretty upset when Ann Rule went Hollywood with his case. There were posters. To have separated Christie from her brother and the rest of the family to be able to get her mom was unconscionable. Diane was in the hospital for a bone graft from June 2nd until June 6th, 1983. Also Im curious as to how you feel her repeated escape attempts should affect her deserving to be on parole. Almost from day one, Diane was perceived as a cancer they had to remove. He then left !his second wife, Charlene, to cohabitate with (and propose marriage to) Diane. Sheriffs Deputy Roy Pond admitted in court that he had already concluded that Diane was guilty and stopped following leads on the orders of his sergeantthree weeks after the shooting. Diane recanted the stories about her dad who vehemently denied them. The prosecutor and his wife adopted both children that survived and although the boy is paralyzed and in a wheelchair, they trived with their new parents. Not that it matters, your opinion is about the case and not subject to geography. We had a thoughtful jury that examined the evidence over four days. I am a true crime junkie. They claimed to have found two lead cartridges in Dianes rifle at home that supposedly matched the ones used during the crime. Gosh Donna, you really dont have a clue. Diane Downs changed her story so many times, even at her parole hearing. I also grew up in as time of the most infamous case in Australias judicial history: Lindy Chamberlain and the dingo stole my baby. I followed the trial. The previous video you sent me shows a Jagger pretty animated and involved in the defense of his client. Maybe someone needs to read Part two in Dr. Billings in-depth review of the Diane Downs Murder Case in Oregon. As we have reported in great detail in the past, Diane Downs could not possibly have committed the crime of shooting her children, or there would have been evidence of gunpowder residue and blood. This whole tale is just unbelievable. The case was so one sided that it is about time some of us bring up the other side. Nobody had any reason for a conspiracy of this magnitude over a literal nobody. I dont know the woman. I refer you to this section of the blog: They claimed to have found two lead cartridges in Dianes rifle at home that supposedly matched the ones used during the crime. Saudi Princesses in Captivity for More Than a Thousand and One Nights Are Tweeting the Blues, Having recently done research on the Liysa Northons case which was the subject of a book written by Ann Rule titled, Some 287 errors and falsehoods were documented by Liysa and verified by official sources. I worked for county child welfare services in Colorado for a decade. I watched the paroles hearing in 08, was lucky to find it, it was streamed live at the timemy sister, who is a whiz with computers, found it for me. It will not make me popular, but I dont mind. (Yes, speculative). A. I told Diane before, but I certainly didnt tell her to more on crime HEARTBREAKING FIND The Office star's sister-in-law found dead 11 days after going missing 'DISGUSTING' It was cited that she keeps her emotions close to the vest. According to Glamour, the motive given for why Diane shot her kids was thought to be because the married man she was seeing at the time did not want any children. If you had, you would clearly know that I do not claim her guilt or innocence. It no longer matters as far as the verdict, she was found guilty, but why no parole? Critics said she deliberately became pregnant in order to garner sympathy from the jury. She even provided the police with her own sketch. The whole family were co-conspirators and involved in the crime? Here are the pros and cons of sole legal custody. She threw her keys yet was able to take off right away?? I worked for county government child welfare for a decade. Dianes brother, James, sat in court one day andnoticed Foote looking at Hugi before ruling on an objection. He freely admitted HE decided to ask for a divorce on his birthday without consulting Diane, who was out of town Click here to read the complaint. Diane had spent three days in the hospital ingesting massive doses of Morphine, Demerol, Percodan, and visterol. As for how to answer this question,,, seems like he is assuming guilt and because of this my parents or me or my brothers and sister, our uncles and aunts were not considered because of an unproven allegation Does he truly believe this is ok??? A slightly humorous observation is that you said, and others have, that James Haynes physically resembled the sketch.. I guess he did not want too many people to know about the improprieties that happened in his courtroom: I guess? If you are not bothered by lack of due process and a prosecutor making up psychiatric labels and adopting kids from a defendant or a judge who gets promoted from family court to criminal court to hang Diane, I am sure bothered by it. Even put in different hospitals. And if the fact that cops lied about the gun to close the deal did not bother you, it bothered me because this is not due process. This does not make her innocent. They are now leading their private lives as adults. She managed to jump in the car after getting shot in the arm. They are the ones who supposedly (according to Diane) screwed her up so badly. Whats next? Plus, Diane could have never cleaned her clothes and her hair to remove blood and gun powder. Her family members were quite capable of taking care of the children. John Shea who played Fred in the TV movie Small Sacrifices even looks like him. Instead of talking about her being locked up for so long, answer some very legitimate questions regarding this case. Not exclusively a USA trait, this happens also in many countries, but in a technologically advanced superpower like USA this attitude is more shocking, and maybe also more worldwide spread. The reason she is likely locked up is because she was diagnosed with narcissistic, histrionic and anti social personality disorder, that makes her a very dangerous person (especially since she is a murderer). Diane now had the title of dangerous offender. I think that the US system is barbaric Even more now with hindsight because of the gun and the fact that her daughter kind of recanted by demonstrating that if pushed, she will say what is expected of her. That makes no sense. Why did they let her daughter testify when she could not know who shot her and said so incessantly until they made her say what they wanted? You have a photo of Diane before the parole board. But saying that you are not very smart is useless. Her older two children have remained out of the public eye. While that makes her technically eligible for parole at some point (in her case 2009) it does not actually mean she has an end date or a release date. You do not have to agree with my general opinion outside of the facts of the case, but I would appreciate some comments on what matters; how this case was handled at trial and during the investigation. Diane Downs' ex husband, Steve Downs, lost a lot in May 1983 when his ex wife shot their three children, following their divorce in 1980. Instead of grieving, Alice went partying and had sex. There was no blood on the front seats so Cheryl was laying down and Christie was asleep laying down and never witnessed anything. It appeared rigged: Rigged? Christie is a married woman and gave birth in 2005. Then they just got shut out. A prosecutor inventing a new psychiatric category in court and labeling the accused is kind of unsettling. But there is forensic evidence pointing to Diane Downs. Instead of shooting the little kids, why didnt the carjacker/killer (CK) simply shoot DD dead and take her car? Why arent you debating the faulty ballistics, and the fact that the gun they affirmed was used in the commission of the crime was not the right one? So appropriate! Steve Downs had allegedly stolen this gun from a friend named Billy Proctor, but after it was found and the ballistics did not match, Bill suddenly remembered keeping it only for a day before exchanging it for another Ruger automatic at a gun show in Mesa; which now meant that the gun that Diane allegedly used to shoot herself and the children, was still apparently nowhere to be found. Steve made some piss poor choices when he had visitation with the kids after the shooting; he permitted them to go off alone with Dianne, when she was not supposed to have had any contact at all with the children. They were treated very badly in this matter. This case needed to be examined more thoroughly, but the mob mentality didnt allow it. In fact, Diane had consulted a psychologist after the tragedy and after months of consultation, she was never diagnosed as a sociopath. This case had many similarities to the Alice Crimminsstory. Her father passed away in October 2017 after having fought relentlessly for her release. Diane Downs is an infamous killer who tried to murder her three children to pursue love. Our legal system is not perfect. It was kind of interesting to hear Mossimo Giannullis lawyer pleading to have his client sent home or put in general population because his mental health suffered drastically in solitary confinement because of covid after 56 consecutive days in solitary. And she should be allowed parole! Is. After six weeks in Oregon where the children were happily spending time with their grandparents while Diane worked her postal route, the incident happened on a dark road that led to Diane being accused of murder and attempted murder. I appreciate the way you dont try to determine guilt or innocence in your blogs but instead focus on due process and the right of all to a fair trial. The following article hopes to help you make more suitable choices and get more useful information Jury begins deliberations in decades-old rape and murder case - WMTW Diane had met all the requirements to be paroled. Children under the age of twelve may cognitively grasp the concept of truth and lie, but lack the conscience which compels people to apply the concept to their lives, or the strength to maintain the truth when adults coerce her to lie. The detectives took Diane to the crime scene and were able to retrieve shell cases on the ground where the incident happened. Needless to say, you seem to have a problem with the American justice systemnot each individual case. People can have a certain vibe and act out of the norms, but it does not make them necessarily guilty. So, how much do you know about him aside from this acting profile? From what we know about Becky, she had chosen a difficult path and Diane was trying to warn her. Years later, seven witnesses signed affidavits telling of a man named Jim Haynes continuing confessionthat he wasthe shooter, and his appearance boresimilarities to the sketch. The fact that the judge who presided over the child welfare case and the criminal case was the same individual is absolutely a conflict of interest. If the adult can show capacity and willingness to provide care, love and nurturing to the children, then there is no legal reason to prevent them from becoming Foster Carers. Of course. But my beef is with the interference by the media, TV shows and Ann Rule. On May 30, 1983, the McKenzie-Willamette Hospital Chaplain told Dianes father to hire an attorney because the State was going to take his grandchildren away. She was more interested in the affection of men, which on that fateful day in 1983 gave her an idea. Of course, because this is what she does when people put her on the spot and ask questions concerning her mother and the shooting. Where are Steve Downs children now? If it doesnt matter to you, it should. He failed. Diane, 18, had run away from home to do so. Diane asked for proof that her ex husband was behind the shooting. The Lifetime channel constantly makes movies based loosely on the truth; this approach is an effective weapon aimed at swaying public opinion about high-profile cases. The innocence project gets so many requests and they have limited resources. Ms. Downs makes every effort to avoid emotional stimuli in order to reduce the demands made on her. If Hugi got attached to the children, why did he wait 2 years when little Christie was starting to say she had no clue who shot them? The question is of course, how can we determine guilt or innocence without a fair trial? If you want to defend Diane Downs, more power to you. Either way he could NOT have seen who shot him unless he has eyes in the back of his head. Very little is definitively known in this area. http://www.salem-news.com/articles/july152013/midnight-med-tb-2.php One could argue that this blog does not stick to what came out at trial. View theaffidavits. This is a more common route for children with parents who are incarcerated for what looks to be the entire childhood of the children.

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