tzimisce vs tremere

At the end of the day your answer is that White Wolf was willing to break a fair number of eggs to make their metaplot as scary and edgy as possible. The Tzimisce thirst for revenge, for the Tremere killed members of their clan and even seized part of the Fiends' ancestral lands. Ah. 1 About 2 Members 3 Influence 4 References 5 Site Poll Along with the Lasombra Clan, they make up the Sabbat.1 They are known for their cruel nature, use of dark arts and lack of compassion. He swore eternal hatred to his former house when the Tremere became vampires. They are both Clan and Covenant. The Tzimisce especially hated them (and some still do) because the Tremere used to kidnap Tzimisce as part of the creation of Gargoyle slaves. The author of this topic has marked a post as the answer to their question. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the WhiteWolfRPG community. The Escapist. Shame that it turned not so scary and edgy in the end. The name “fiend” is an insult. On ideological grounds, the Sabbat could also want to purge the Tremere because their founder willingly became a pseudo-Antediluvian, making even Tremere Antitribu possible agents of Gehenna more so than any other clan. I had improved my character sheet and fight tactics. Tremere and his Inner Circle rapidly Embraced scores of neonates from within House Tremere, hoping to convert the entire house into Cainites before the Order detected them and attempted to purge them as they had the Diedne. Being artificial creations of the Ordo Dracul, the Tremere as kindred occupy a spot somewhere between Bloodline and Clan and are at best rightly viewed with mistrust; outright … I always figured the magic that marked them as antitribu was used to attack them. Know thyself and the parcels of thou's surrounding, for thou art but the sum. Myca Vykos was an apprentice in the Tremere covenant of Coeris and rival of Goratrix when Symeon embraced him and brought him to Byzantium. Today, we're going to look at the new iteration of clan Tzimisce and how they compare to the fiends of old. It doesn't pay to be a wizard apprentice, you're first to be sacrificed. But would it be possible for a less then a century old Tzimisce trained by his sire in all this one knew to later diablerize him to have a certain mastery of Thaumatrogy that could allow the possibility of merging/concentrating (reduce generation)/creating bloodlines? You know that a Revanent is a mortal who shows the aspects of ghouldom at birth and without ingesting vampiric blood. Vampire: The Masquerade Bloodlines 2 - Tremere. Escapist Podcast: 202: Time For Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines 2? You are aware that many Tzimisce were used during the War of Omens in Tremere experiments to create the bloodline of the gargoyles. The first threat to Tzimisce power in the region was the emergence of the Tremere. The Tzimisce especially hated them (and some still do) because the Tremere used to kidnap Tzimisce as part of the creation of Gargoyle slaves. They don't even consider this to other members of their clan, though it is not … The Tremere demand loyalty far more than any other clan. Tzimisce: Vampires descended from those diablerized by Tzimisce are treated the same as vampires who diablerized Tzimisce; they are immediately and unconditionally considered Tzimisce. But I do not recall anyone saying specificly that there are no exceptions. Salubri-antiribu is something interesting though. Technically yes, a Tzimisce could hypothetically diablerize a Tremere but you should consider the following things: Tremere are the youngest clan on the scene: finding a low generation Tremere is not so easy so most capable kindred wouldn't consider diablerizing a tremere worth it in most circumstances due to the risks of diablerie. Link Back: Tzimisce Tzimisce: The Dragon’s Claws. Who sometimes practice the blood magic of the Tremere. The Lasombra and Tzimisce, the founders of the Sabbat, were High Clans, and they did not particularly like this threat to their long-standing power. In the Dark Ages there was a small variant known as the Telyavelic Tremere that was influenced by pagan practices and arose in Lithuania, but they are believed to be long extinct. Well, it happened in their Transylvania Chronicles example story series which was advancing the Saulot metaplot they liked so much, so they had some bigger fish to fry. 1:05:46. You are aware that the Tremere have been credited with embracing such historical figures as Dr. John Dee. The Tremere make pretty sure everyone stays in line. Mainly wanted to capture the first two parts of the interaction with the Tzimisce in Vampire Bloodlines if you chose Tremere as your clan. I guess Sabbat vampires should be wise enough to not to catch the hook, but well, they were newcomers in vampiric world anyway. Apart from why they decided to write it - in the game world, Tremere is actually making a not-bad choice. That aside, see the above; the Withering wasn't relevant to the ritual. The Tzimisce Voivodate, a loose confederation of Tzimisce domains in Eastern Europe, had survived since the fall of the Second City only to face new threats to its existence during the Dark Ages. The Tzimisce is considered as the "soul" of the Sabbat, as they are the spiritual leaders and the intellectuals of the sect. The site may not work properly if you don't, If you do not update your browser, we suggest you visit, Press J to jump to the feed. He swore eternal hatred to his former house when the Tremere became vampires. Tremere himself wiped them all out in one go (or at least most of them if you want to be one of these special players who want to play the last Tremere antitribu that didn't show up to the meeting). It was like poof and no tremere in sabbath. Playing next. I brought this book expecting to read about the Tremere "holding the front line against the Sabbat". Was it that Tsimitsce wiped them out because of old grudges between clans? During the second fight, is the Tzimisce supposed to be unbeatably stupid difficult? Yeah, Tremere clan is all about awesome and potent thaumaturgy of all flowers and magic rituals overall. So is the Tzimisce supposed to be Impossible to beat? You have heard of the wise Tzimisce of the clan whom are called Zhupan. A community for fans of White Wolf's roleplaying games, notably the World of Darkness (Vampire: The Masquerade, Werewolf: The Apocalypse, Mage: The Ascension, etc. I'm glad the v20 version has them active again, among the anarchs and Sabbat. In the Tzimisce-Tremere conflicts of nights long past, koldun carried Krivda on their tongues, inciting their Usurper opponents to frenzy. The Tzimisce and Tremere warred many times, but the Tzimisce were embarrassingly unable to destroy their adversary. Vampire The Masquerade Bloodlines - 29 The Crypt ... 'LynkaWolf' 1:19. I like that part in V20 afaik, where it can be interpret as Saulot took over long ago, makes a bit more sense from an out-universe perspective, well i mean in a sense that not so blunt as just an excuse to get rid sabbat of tremere. Now as to whether it punished players of the faction they chose to destroy - you're absolutely right. Resisting Tzimisce's takeover actually isn't that hard - it's noted that some humans and semi-human supernatural creatures also managed it. The dumb thing is that it was all of them. If it was just the leadership/prominent members, that'd have been fine. Myca Vykos was an apprentice in the Tremere covenant of Coeris and rival of Goratrix when Symeon embraced him and brought him to Byzantium. But still, it was too much. Vandal. The Tzimisce and Tremere warred many times, but the Tzimisce were embarrassingly unable to destroy their adversary. with a feeling that is similar when you in the room with annoying flies trying to sit on you each 0.5 second but unable to catch and kill them, at leas all of them, and then just side-steped in to another dimension. Report. Anyway, I've always disliked Tremere clan and their founder seems especially nasty. Which is why in Rites of Blood, a lot of the "Tremere Antitribu" are actually Telyavelic Tremere that defected from the clan before Goratrix and therefore weren't marked. The Tremere are a clan of mages, spellcasters, and warlocks, who use magic they learned while living in undeath. Typical bloody wedding. Also, I think, there is at least one survivor on the antitribu side if you consider the clan novels. Question: Diablerie = Tzimisce Diablerising Tremere, Re: Question: Diablerie = Tzimisce Diablerising Tremere, Quote from: Rubinia on October 10, 2017, 09:33:16 AM, Quote from: IanW on October 12, 2017, 06:37:29 PM, SimplePortal 2.3.7 © 2008-2021, SimplePortal. When they found their magical life-extending elixirs started failing due to the growing lack of belief in magic, they started looking elsewhere. Back then, the Tremere were a young upstart clan, considered a true clan only because Tremere diablerized Saulot and so, technically, has Antediluvian blood in his veins. We shall be again. The Tremere symbol is a stylized conjuring circle. For some reason it wasn't as effective as Tremere's intended command was presented to be. I was even hoping for some new insights into the Tremere magic of blood thamaturgy. And, since the Tremere became vampires not through the embrace but by magic, the Sabbat could easily see them as not being true childer of Caine, and therefore not worthy of bearing the name "vampire". Many parties, including Magi, Tremere, Lasombra and the Sabbat Inquisition, would be very interested in obtaining information about the specifics of Tzimisce magic. He has a limited time to exploit the fact that he stole Goratrix's body and can impersonate him. Old Clan Tzimisce (Dirty Secrets) Panders (Guide to the Sabbat) Salubri (Veil of Night, DA Companion, VA Companion) Salubri antitribu (Guide to the Sabbat) Samedi (ST Companion, VA Companion) Telyavelic Tremere (Libellus Sanguinis 2) Tlacique (Blood Sacrifice TC) True Brujah (ST Handbook) Wu Zao [Salubri] (Wind from the East) Ravnos were never interesting to me, but their signature discipline is sure does. Even to say they are a Clan is a misnomer; Tremere are an oddity within the Danse Macabre. The Dracul. They are considered to be back-stabbers by other vampire clans. The Tremere are arguably a bloodline of the Tzimisce, as it was the blood of Clan Tzimisce that the Tremere magi used to gift themselves with unlife. Yeah, Saulot awakening but why turning it into Tremere Antitribu slaughter. Consider most that Tremere became vampires by diablerie through the Salubri. Tzimisce emphasize the spiritual and the reverential as opposed to the Tremere's occult pragmatism. Tremere: See Giovanni. Idunno. Looks like you're using new Reddit on an old browser. A conjurer would stand in the triangular section, the so-called "Triangle of Art," and the conjured creature would appear within the circle. The Tremere are one of seven playable clans in Vampire: The Masquerade – Bloodlines. The founder of clan Tremere diablorized the founder of the Salubri, and his childer did the same for the Salubri elders. Ravnos Antediluvian was a boss though, i prefer to think that he just said "Well, fine! So just after solving his Goratrix problem, he ties off the rest of that thread too. How did it happen that Tremere Antitribu died out? There is a special enmity in for the Tremere which you now fully understand knowing the history of the Tremere/Tzimisce War. The rise of the Tremere was an upset to the existing vampire social order at the time, which was dominated by the High Clans. (Meaning that Tremere himself took the antitribu into the Sabbat, and that Saulot and Tzimisce have been the one's struggling for control of the Founder's body.). But come on, destroying whole Antitribu? They preferred to deal with angry fangs instead of calculated Thaumaturgy. In the old World of Darkness, the greatest threat to the Masquerade was a faction known as the Sabbat. Regardless, there are no bloodlines of Tremere in the modern nights, as the clan's uniformity does not allow deviations. Most do not realize that Clan Tzimisce is a clan split along old generational lines. If you don't toe the party line (e.g., by being part of the Camarilla) the Tremere oath gives the clan as a whole permission to disown/destroy you as they see fit. However, spending any length of time with a Tzimisce usually provides enough proof that this reputation is well-earned: out of all the Clans, the … They hate the Camarilla but they hate the Tremere much more, because of the fact that the Usurpers used Tzimisce blood when they became vampires in the first place. The Tremere as a clan are insular and secretive. 1:26. … He considers Thaumaturgy "his" and hates that the antitribu teach it all willy-nilly. I think "Hated by Malkavians" should be removed or replaced with "Gangrel, Tzimiche, and Nosferatu." The Tremere gained their immortal status by experimenting with Tzimisce Vitae. You have heard legends that Kupala once opposed the shape shifting Lupines of the region, and that they sought to imprison it … The best idea we have of the current incarnation is that they're old Tzimisce who just stopped using Vissicitude - not even a bloodline, just a part of the clan that didn't use that power. It's like a middle finger to all Sabbat players. And remember, when the Sabbat lost the Tremere antitribu, they gained the Harbingers of Skulls (which fill the slot of the non-existent Giovanni antitribu) and the Salubri antitribu. Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines - Tzimisce vs. Werewolf. There are however two notable extinct bloodlines; Tremere antitribu and the Telyavs. They are big, scary, powerful vampire with magic... i think players got that already. They seem to be pretty tough, and in Sabbat mindset especially dangerous. ), Exalted, and Chronicles of Darkness (Vampire: The Requiem, Werewolf: The Forsaken, Mage: The Awakening, etc.). If Saulot kicks Tremere out of his body, then it makes sense that Tremere kicks Goratrix out of his. I know barely anything about Sabbat Tremere specifically, but here are a bunch of possible reasons which are not mutually exclusive. Chants, litanies and paeans to all manner of entities accompany Tzimisce rituals. The Tremere occupy a complex position within kindred society. What i am trying to say is that i consider it to be a really dumb move but i, guess what i might be wrong, so enlighten me why destruction of this particular antitribu was a thing in the first place? A by-product of the Tremere Antitribu and Tzimisce Kolduns, the Blood Brothers are a handful of Sabbat kindred who share a sort of hive mind, making them very effective fighters. The catch being zero tolerance for tardiness in catching up on Tzimisce tradition. In person, Tzimisce vampires at first seem far more civilized than the brutal packs of the Sabbat mainstream: studious, solitary, courteous and dignified, their manners often seem somewhat disarming given the reputation that the Clan as a whole has acquired. But I am not sure how that fits in the bigger picture. They are unoriginal vampires. Deep in the mountains of Transylvania and along the periphery of all Tzimisce lands, are those who call themselves Dracul, the first of their clan. The Tremere are unusual amongst the Clans of the Kindred in that their origin lies not with a vampire from the City of Enoch, but rather with the machinations of a group of human magicians. The strong hints in Lore of the Clans that Saulot turfed Tremere out of his body much earlier than realized (in the Dark Ages) and that "Goratrix" has actually been Tremere for centuries are a nice touch, too. In truth, the Tremere are a bloodline of the Tzimisce, as it was the blood of Fiends that was used to create them. Dedication to my previous video about fight with Andrei the Tzimicsce. 2:14. After cementing their power base in Europe and cowing the local populations with grand displays of their supernatural might, the Clan spread throughout the Old World and beyond, gaining great influence in the court of Constantinople, and even gathering power in such far-flung places as the city of Alexandria in Egypt. Their ambitious founder Diablerized the Antediluvian of the former clan Salubri, solidifying the Tremere's status as a clan. There's also a very long-standing prejudice against the Tremere that's been around since the Dark Ages (before there was even such a thing as antitribu). What a world (of darkness)! Expendable as Nostromo's crew. While they are hated by many, this hate has not exceeded their … Since they're somewhat more druidic than usual, I'm curious if they have any ties to House Diedne. The Gangrel find the Tremere an obscenity, especially because the Usurpers have captured Gangrel for use in their foul experiments. I mean, from a meta standpoint. And this isn't the only point they did that - remember when basically all Ravnos were supposed to be dead after the Week of Nightmares? In an earlier part of it, the PCs are employed to escort Goratrix to Tremere for punishment, so I imagine the later bit with the antitribu is meant as a callback to that - here's when Goratrix got slapped, here's where Tremere stole his body and destroyed everything he had worked for. It's the big long plot where you start in the Dark Ages messing with the demon Kupala, and you move forward in a tour through Vampire history by ending the Anarch revolt and such. Clan Tremere can be argued to be a bloodline of the Tzimisce. ... tzimisce and nostferatu who hate them. Regardless, there are no modern bloodlines of the Tremere, as the clan's uniformity does not allow deviations. You've heard of that the Tremere wrested control of one of the Tzimisce Revanent families during the conflict between them. The Vampire: The Masquerade Companion has brought three of the thirteen clans into the modern World of Darkness. Clan Tzimisce (茨密希, Cí mì xÄ«) is a Vampire Clan and one of the two clans that make up the Sabbat. Cookies help us deliver our Services. You know of many of the Societies within the Clan and the titles which accompany them. Then he was Leader of the Tzimisce revolt with Lugoj and Velya, and he diablerised Symeon and became Sascha Vykos. Because ALL of the Tremere antitribu worldwide for some reason were able to make it to a gathering in Mexico, and no Tremere have turned antitribu since? Browse more videos. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Then he was Leader of the Tzimisce revolt with Lugoj and Velya, and he diablerised Symeon and became Sascha Vykos. A bit complicated, a bit strange, but plausible story. From a story point of view, it's supposed to signal the awakening of Saulot. Use that sympathetic bond to attack all of them at once. It would be still more rightous if they managed to kill Tremere, because of their greater numbers, like those 3th generation of ordinary clans did with 2th generation (or at least the vamp myth says). Okay, the Old Clan are in a weird state of flux, because their history has been heavily retconned. The Lasombra, who were more inclined towards Christianity and Islam, denounced the Tremere as imposters and witches. We were the Dragons of old. There's a whole host of possible reasons you could give. I brought this book expecting it to advanced the story line of the whole series, which is the Camarilla vs the Sabbat. Thou… According to canon, Tremere were originally a group of human mages from House Tremere of the Order of Hermes. I've really enjoyed the V20 take on the antitribu, where some members of House Goratrix survived the supposed wholesale destruction of the line and, also, the supposedly long-destroyed Telyavelic Tremere start to reappear. Used for little more than that purpose, the Blood Brothers make this list for being little more than a handful of semi-intelligent bodies to throw at the PCs. They're exclusive to Romania, not venturing from the homeland, which is part of how they developed … Suddenly being in charge of a bunch of renegade clan members probably didn't make Tremere happy, and he punished them for their disobedience. Every single one of them was marked, so they were all bound together. Screw you all!" As someone whose first character was a Tremere antitribu, they've always had a special place in my heart. That's the dumb aspect. Tremere: Tremere are a clan of blood sorcerers and mages originally belonging to the Order of Hermes. Not saying that they are not interesting, just not my kind of flavor, the discipline itself to a lesser extent to. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. 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